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"source is unlimited awareness
i am that
therefore i am unlimited awareness.
is that true for you? if your awareness is limited to the nick body/mind, thoughts, sensations etc than that is certainly very limited. i'm just wondering why it's called unlimited awareness since it's always limited."
Maybe this will help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMs5XTvlxE
"nope. i guess you have to be awake to understand and i'm not."
This is very simple. Just the words make it seem complex when pointing to it. What notices the thought " i guess you have to be awake to understand and i'm not." ?
The awareness that witnesses that thought is completely awake and alert. That's it! That is all awakening is pointing to. Simple and obvious.
Everything that can be said after that, is just words that hold no value. The awareness that watches the words being read, is all that holds value. No words I am saying hold any truth. The truth is what witnesses the words.
You're just chasing your idea of what you think awakening is, while being completely awake to the chasing of that idea.
You are never going to be more awake and alert than you are now.
Maybe this will help: http://graceisnow.blogspot.com/2010/02/nothing-...
"everything is simple...in hindsight.
what notices a thought is only the beginning of this. people get an insight and consider themselves awake. the web is full of 'awake' people who still reek of ego and separation. a few insights does not a realization make.
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rupert spira says:
Enlightenment is instantaneous. Self-Realisation takes time.
Enlightenment could be said to be the deep understanding that there is no separate entity located inside the body experiencing the world and all others outside and separate from itself.
Self-realisation could be said to be the re-absorption of the mind, body and world into this Knowing Presence from which they proceed, and from which they were in fact never for a moment separate.
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now THAT is very rare. a bit deeper than just glibly saying awareness of thoughts is it. i'm aware of typing these words but i certainly am not aware "of the re-absorption of my mind, body and world into this knowing presense from which they proceed etc" nor am i understanding "that there is no separate entity located inside the body experiencing the world and all others outside and separate from itself."
when what spira says is KNOWN here than i'll consider 'myself' awake."
What notices the thought is the foundation of this because it shows that that awareness is where everything is born out of and dies into, nothing is separate from that, even reeking of ego and separation is this because even that can't be separated from the awareness that sees it.
Every insight and no-insight at all is this. No insight is needed because what sees every insight is this, even before the insight is seen. Therefore, if this is here even before any insight then this is not an insight at all.
Self-realization can be said to mean infinite different things because it is not in the words or the idea of the words, it's what witnesses every word. Yet not any word or idea can be separate from this, this is here prior to any idea or words about this.
There is nothing rare about this or special about this and that idea is what is being chased. Awareness witnessing it chase an idea about itself, fully having no idea about itself.
There is no "when" in this. You are chasing a future moment of "when what spira says is KNOWN here than i'll consider 'myself' awake.".... but "when" you stop with idea chasing and notice what is here now and notice the "Knowing Presence" that is here presently, then you know. The Knowing Presence he is talking about can only ever be known presently. If anything, he is inviting you see in your direct experience what is here now and that is the witness that us aware if these words being seen and that is it, that is the foundation of everything.
"of the re-absorption of my mind, body and world into this knowing presense from which they proceed etc" AND "that there is no separate entity located inside the body experiencing the world and all others outside and separate from itself." ...are just words, they are empty and mean nothing. If anything they are pointing to the awareness that is aware of seeing the words and then they die back into the awareness in which they appeared. The words are never meant to be hung into as if they point to an experience. It is not an experience that is being pointed to, it is the witness that is prior to every experience.
If you look closely, that is the only commonality in every pointers way of pointing, how it's all about the present source that witnesses all this and is prior to everything else because there is nothing else.
When you hear things like "Enlightenment is instantaneous. Self-Realisation takes time."... what is being pointed to is how the witness to all this is always instantaneous witnessing everything and how it seems to take time for the mind to realize that instantaneousness since the mind/ego hides in the past and future timeline. Self-realization in this sense is the realization to the mind that the simplicity and instantaneous witness that is happening presently (or "Knowing Presence") is enlightenment itself.
"There is no "when" in this. You are chasing a future moment of "when what spira says is KNOWN here than i'll consider 'myself' awake.".... but "when" you stop with idea chasing and notice what is here now and notice the "Knowing Presence" that is here presently, then you know."
right. so there is a 'when'. when i stop chasing. and since i can't do that now or now or now it's in the future. which will be a 'now' when it occurs, if it does.
" Self-realization in this sense is the realization to the mind that the simplicity and instantaneous witness that is happening presently (or "Knowing Presence") is enlightenment itself."
great. too bad i can't get that realization now."
You are that already, there is no way to not be what you are. You can't get this right or wrong. That presence that is awake to these words right now, is what you are. How is what you are as that going to realize anything? It is already awake and alert as it is ever going to be, how can that ever awake? It is always awake, you can't turn it off. It is the only thing that never changes. There is nothing to realize about it.
It's awake, that is the only realization. Anything said after that is just an idea about that and pointing to that. That's it. It really is that simple. There really is nothing to realize other than that and since that is always awake and is obvious in your direct experience then there really is nothing to realize. That awareness never-changes and for that reason it is what everyone is searching for. Searching for what is looking.
"How is what you are as that going to realize anything?"
consciousness becomes conscious of consciousness. it re-cognizes itself. by accident or an act of grace. beats me. i know that tom won't get it and that awareness is here but still too much thought identification going on to say i am that awareness.
Who is it that is identifying with thought? I bet you will not be able to find a who that is identifying with thought. So if there is no who doing that, then there is no you. And if you are not identifying with thought and awareness most certainly is not because all awareness knows how to do is be conscious, then what is identifying with thought?
If you can't find the location of a who that is said to identify with thought, then who is there to know that thought is being identified with?
"too much thought identification going on" is a thought. That is all it is. Can you find the thought that is identifying with the thought: "too much thought identification going on"? Of course not, because thought doesn't really identify with anything, all it knows how to do is think thoughts.
Thought thinks it is identifying with thought because it was conditioned to think that based on something that was said but really nothing is being identified with because there is nothing there doing anything. Thoughts are only simply thinking and awareness is only simply being aware.
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